Believe it or not, Salon.com has given a conservative the opportunity to fill their space. This weeks question in “Ask a Wingnut” gets to an important topic, one with implications far beyond the scope of the actual words.

On the face of it, the Wingnut author does a good job answering the question: the Conservative record on science is well established. Conservatives most definitely aren’t anti-science.

The article doesn’t address (it’s not the point of the article) the more important issue, which is the liberal tactic of marginalizing anyone who doesn’t agree with their perspective (just look at the tone of the question… anti-ALL science, or just anti-BAD science?). The issues raised in the article (stem-cell research and global warming) seem to be at the crux of the anti-science slander from the left. I don’t want to deal with the science, there are others better equipped to do that. What interests me is how the left doesn’t seem to be willing to even admit that there is another side or any competing science. That’s what distinguishes the right from the left.

Let’s use Intelligent Design (of which I am a proponent) as an illustration of how the left marginalizes the right by looking at a (somewhat) non-political (read: non-governmental/Washington D.C. issue) .

  • I believe the world was created by an Intelligent Being, and I don’t believe Darwin (or any other amalgum of scientific theorists) offer as reasonable and scientifically proveable explanation of how the world is. 
  • I accept that there is a theory of evolution, and that smart, intelligent, educated, honest scientists in the world ascribe to this theory. 
  • I will also concede that Intelligent Design is a theory in the same way that gravity is a theory (an assumption based on limited information or knowledge; a conjecture). It has not been observed as a complete process (i.e. we weren’t there at creation) so it can not be verified as an observed fact. 

I don’t have any problem with my children being taught evolution in schools, because school should be the place where children learn to wrestle with ideas. I don’t, however, hear the left clamoring for the free exchange of ideas. The very foundation of true science is being open to question your hypothesis. As soon as you stop questioning, or limit the scope of your questions, you stop being a scientist and start being a dogmatist.

To illustrate the point of the differences, I will use today’s edition of the Cal State Long Beach’s Daily 49er, which just so happens to have an article entitled “Intelligent Design Isn’t Smart.” A few quotes and some thoughts. First, in paragraph 2:

Intelligent Design attempts to reconcile science with the Biblical creation myths by hypothesizing that each species appeared abruptly with its distinct characteristics.

The language is loaded. The stories in the Bible are “myths” and stand in opposition to science. Intelligent Design is the attempt to reconcile these two opposing entities (science & myth). If you would debate this article, you would not simply be arguing the merits of the evidence, you would be put in the position of having to debate “science” with “myth,” and you’re not saying myth can speak to science are you? Next, paragraph 3: 

 The court ruled that the school board violated students’ rights by introducing a religious doctrine into a public school. The U.S. Constitution forbids the government from promoting or prohibiting any religion.

The issue here isn’t with the article, but illustrates the left’s general position to opposing information. The implication is that the proposition of Intelligent Design is synonymous with religion. My question would be, “what is religion, & what qualifies as religious doctrine?” I contend that evolutionists are as zealous about their religion as creationists, only far more subversive about it. Now to paragraph 4:

I was struck by the passion with which the Evangelical Christians argued that kids should also be taught Intelligent Design as an alternative. They emphasized that evolution was only a theory.

What’s the problem with advocating alternative theories in science class? Intelligent Design proponents weren’t advocating that Evolution be thrown out of the classroom, only that it be taught in its true scientific context, as a widely held belief with scientifically legitimate alternatives. The I.D.’ers here are reduced to an easily marginalized stereotype (passionate Evangelical Christians). Did the author interview every opponent to discover their religious or philosophical belief’s? Is there any chance that an impartial, unbiased scientists would allow room for Intelligent Design?

Scientific theories are not purely speculative, however. Evolution, like the theory of gravitation or the germ theory of disease, is supported by an enormous body of evidence that has withstood repeated testing. Darwin’s theory is foundational to the biological sciences, which would otherwise be incoherent.

His logic breaks down. Just because it is supported by an enormous body of evidence, doesn’t mean it’s not speculative. The implication here is that there is absolutely no evidence what so ever for intelligent design. Also, simply because it’s the foundation of the current biological sciences doesn’t make it true. The science of medicine was based on a faulty premise before germ theory. Does that make germ theory was false, only does it mean the whole system was previously built on a faulty assumption? This paragraph works great to marginalize the opposition, but it doesn’t do much at all to further the conversation.

So far the author has lumped ID’ers into passionate zealot Evangelicals without a shred or hint of scientific evidence. Is that the case? Has every ID proponent in the world checked their brain at the door? Are only Evolutionists the ones with intellectual rigor and integrity? The next paragraph state (you’ve noticed so far that every paragraph is represented, right?)

Kenneth Miller of Brown University said, “Not a single observation, not a single experimental result, has ever emerged in 150 years that contradicts the general outlines of the theory of evolution. Any theory that can stand up to 150 years of contentious testing is a pretty darn good theory.”

WOW! There is absolutely no scientific foundation for anything other that Evolution in the world? There’s absolutely no problem what so ever with Evolution? Every single scientific data for 150 years has supported the theory? Some people would take exception with Mr. Miller’s proposition. The next paragraph reads:

Many Evangelicals also believe there is an ongoing debate in the scientific community on evolution versus Intelligent Design, but this is not the case. Intelligent Design is overwhelmingly rejected by the scientific community, so much so that the defense in this case had a hard time finding scientists to testify.

Again, it must be an open and shut case, then. Thre is absolutely no debate in the scientific community about this. There wasn’t even a creation scientist to be found. This goes back to the same problems with the above quote.

The rest of the article continues in the same vein. I picked this article, because it was written today (it’s recent), it showed up at the top of a google search (it’s accessible), and and it’s written at a University (it’s “intellectually credible”).

The point is that it’s exactly what the left claims the right is. When the left wants to make head way in a debate (about the climate, stem cells, enhanced interrogation) they follow the same path:

  1. Create or employ a stereotype/straw man (it’s best  if it can be linked Evangelicals, the most on the edge of the sanity continuum demographic in the country to be sure) 
  2. Ensure the populus that no right thinking person in the world holds an opposing view to intimidate you by not wanting you to feel uneducated or uninformed
  3. Assure you that all the evidence everywhere in the world supports their claim (often without presenting any of it themselves)
  4. resort to name calling

I appreciate Salon.com for running this article and allowing the silliness and small mindedness to be on display. I also appreciate wingnut for taking the issue head on. A few great questions when faced with leftist bullying:

  1. “What evidence do you have?” Ask them to get specific.
  2. “Why should I accept your proposition, hypothesis, or evidence?” Why is your proposition or hypothesis better than mine?
  3. “Who says?” Who supports your theory, and why are they credible? “Everyone” is not a logically acceptable answer to this question. 

I have often been made to feel that I have to be on the defensive. I don’t mind defending my hypotheses, because I think they are defensible. It’s time to stand in the face of this nonsense. Don’t employ the same tactics they use, don’t run from the debate, just don’t let them define the terms and conditions if they’re not acceptable. That’s science… honest, unbiased conversation based on the information at hand, and that’s what liberals seem to have a hard time dealing with.

20 COMMENTS
Lacey Rocha
May 11, 2009
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I think the irony is how little so many people know about a lot (if you know what I mean). This is one reason I decide to continue my education in many different ways…I want to learn a lot about a lot of things and the more I do I find this life complex in a truly wonderful sort of way!

Lacey Rocha
May 11, 2009
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One more thing…I believe that scientific LAWS (like the 3rd law of thermodynamics that states, in lay terms, that matter breaks down rather than progresses to a higher state over time) trump “theories”–if that’s what you can really call the information surrounding and “supporting” evolution (not to be misconstrued with genetic adaptation theory), thus it appears that many liberals are faced with a much stronger dilemma than conservatives on this particular issue.

David Banks
May 11, 2009
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There simply isn’t enough time in the school day to employ the tactic of inviting everyones “alternate theory”. Science class doesn’t have time to include Wicca, Reincarnation, the spaghetti monster and the possibility that its all just an illusion in the textbooks. Some “theories” just have to dismissed.

May 11, 2009
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Wiccans would probably ascribe to either evolution or I.D. and reincarnation isn’t a creation theory so I’m not sure where you’re going with that. You make my point, however, with your reference to the spaghetti monster. It’s a loaded phrases to divert the debate. And, for the record, if the spaghetti monster had as much scientific evidence as Intelligent Design, it should have a hearing, right? Who is the decider about which science should be heard? Let me guess, the government should handle that?

But again, this wasn’t about the science, this is about intellectual elitism and snobbery as a tool to avoid debates and marginalize other voices on the left. Thank you for missing the point, and proving it, all at the same time.

Winston Dodson
May 11, 2009
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Realityunwound is a self parody and is proof why many Repubs are anti-science; If you read this article, are a Repub and think that it makes sense, you are ignorant to be anti-science. Reality unwound in a moron.

Proof – he “concedes” that ID is a “scientific theory” but yet goes to to show that he doesn’t what a scientific theory is.

Proof – he links to articles that he (and the writers) believe address the underpinnings of science yet don’t even come close. They are a joke.

This article was “promoted” to the front pages of a popular conservative website called “Redstate”. Is simply shows what a bunch of morons those guys are.

I have the Repub creds to match anyone on any of these pages so it proves that one doesn’t have to “check one’s intelligence at the door” when entering a conservative meeting” but it helps.

dbanks
May 11, 2009
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Its about you attempting to say its about resonable discourse and lively debate of ideas when its not. Its about the insertion of “god” into science class. Ok Ok thats good thats good, but what about these unanswered questions over here…. Must be intelligent design. Could just as easily be witchcraft, or the continual regeneration of things or it could all be just an illusion etc… the point is we have to draw the line somewhere. All the “alternate theories” just cant be included.

PS. The spaghetti monster has exactly the same amount of scientific evidence as ID.

dbanks
May 11, 2009
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oh, and I have skipped over this several times but a simple internet search will give you dozens of observed examples of new species created through evolution, even if the fruit flies haven’t done it yet.

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May 12, 2009
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D-banks – show me the new species that evolved from another, and show me the fossil record.

And I’m not asking for anyone to believe a myth, I’m asking for a fair look at the scientific possibilities.

May 12, 2009
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First, before I called anyone a moron, I would learn how to use spelling and grammar check.

Second, a scientific theory is different from what dbanks mentions above is a “LAW.” Evolution is not a LAW, it is widely assumed, but not proven.

Third, your snobbery PERFECTLY illustrates my point. You appeal to the lowest common denominator in people. You call names and criticize the information without providing any of your own.

To your credit Winston, your comment actually got through because you are far less vile than many of your leftist counterparts who commented. At least you refrained from using the F-bomb and personally attacking my family and heritage. Not sure whether that makes you worthy of thanks, but here’s to it.

David Banks
May 12, 2009
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Type, “observed new species” into the search bar there and just read one or two of the 10,000 articles.

There is no difference between a scientific “theory” and a “Law”, they are just terms attached to the concepts. It is more common to use “law” in physics, but “theory” in other sciences, depends mostly on how the person who wrote the first paper refered to it. ie, you might say, the law of gravity dictates that a parachute is good idea if your going to jump out of the plane. but you might also say, the theory of gravity would lead us to believe planets are very common in the universe. Youd be correct either way, there isn’t some “Supreme court” of science who decides these things. I wish there was because they would certainly deem evolution a law, then we could all go about our day.

Sandy Powers
May 12, 2009
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What amazes me is that evolution is still the most widely held theory. There are so many holes in it, it’s hard to get my mind around people refusing (fearing?) to see it!

I applaud you for addressing this so credibly. I think what you have here are way too many Dogmatists! But their responses are quite typical.

Lacey Rocha
May 13, 2009
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In the realm of psychological science there are several overall theories (dynamic theories) with abounding research and support that both conflict and compliment one another–something termed psychodynamic. If those on the left wish to engage in debate, this is the perfect example of how to let science speak for itself, rather than speaking for it. When we introduce name-calling and other such personal attacks, those with an opposing view stop listening because there is no contribution of a well-thought, apologetic on the subject, just emotional indignation at its worst. Personally, I would be much more inclined to mull over what someone has to say when we part, if the debate remained hospitable rather than rude or hostile even.

dbanks
May 13, 2009
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I just almost bit on that “holes” thing. Then I saw the writer so I’ll skip it just this once.

May 14, 2009
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So you think the evolutionary record is absolutely complete? No way. The missing link is a big problem, and the fact that it’s been so often hoaxed is evidence (Piltdown man, et al). It’s a great theory, natural selection is a good idea indicating micro-evolutionary trends, which is good science. Macro-evolution, primitive ape-man slumping out of the primordial ooze just doesn’t wash.

David Banks
May 14, 2009
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No such thing as a “missing link” There are hundreds of missing links and will always be as we cant find the body of every creature that ever lived. New discoveries are constantly filling in gaps in the fossil record, but also create new ones.
Micro and Macro evolution are exactly the same thing only adjusted for time.
Evolutionists don’t claim to have an answer for how life “began”.

David Banks
May 30, 2009
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quitter!

Jason Glover
May 22, 2010
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@ Lacey

You mean to be talking about the second law of thermodynamics. And anyway, it doesn’t conflict with evolution, because it describes “closed systems”, which the earth is not… it receives energy from the sun. Oldest bad creationist argument in the book.

Jason Glover
May 22, 2010
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@realityunwound

There is no such thing as micro and macro evolution: macro evolution is simply micro evolution over a longer timeline, and by admitting that one is a good idea, you are admitting to both.

Second: The fossil record is not needed to prove evolution. There are countless other pieces observable evidence besides. Look into it. But the fossil record does indeed back up the theory of evolution, and in the case of human evolution, the hoaxes you refer to haven’t been used as evidence for decades, and there are indeed non-hoaxed fossils to demonstrate the entire evolutionary process of homo sapiens. Fossilization is extremely rare, and therefore it is not at all illogical that we wouldn’t have fossil evidence documenting every single stage of the evolutionary process for every species on earth. But I can tell you what we haven’t found: a single fossil appearing in strata before it could have evolved. Instead every subsequent fossil discovery continues to shed more light on evolution and further validate it as a good theory.

As David states, if I find a fossil documenting a species at point A, and then one at point E, people clamor about missing points B-D: a missing link. However, if I find a fossil documenting point C, then there are two missing links: B and D. And on and on. What do you expect? A complete unbroken continuum of life on earth? That’s improbable as hell.

The point is it is quite easy to disprove evolution if you had evidence to put together an alternative theory. No one yet has, and as such it has gained wide acceptance and has achieved stats as a good theory.

Jason Glover
May 22, 2010
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Oh, and I do hope your description of a “primitive ape man slumping out of primoridal ooze” is meant to be factitious as this is not at all what the theory of evolution even remotely describes.

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